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Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
što se tiče Olimpije, složio bih se sa Mlekadžijom u onom dijelu kada kaže je njihova pobjeda rezultat trenutne inspiracije, napaljenosti i hvatanja Efesa na "krivoj nozi"... Pobjeda nad Efesom jeste vrijedan skalp, ali mislim da se čak ni navijači Olimpije nee zanose nekim mmogućim ulaskom u Top 16
drexler- mvp
- Datum upisa : 06.10.2010
Godina : 38
Lokacija : Drvar (BiH)
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
I mene je iznenadila pobeda Olimpija, svaka im čast. Efesu nema pomoći! Uz dobru formu Partizana i pobede u Pioniru, mislim da ćemo biti odmah iza Kahe i Makabija, nisam oduševljen Himkijem i Prokomom, a i Žalgiris sigirno nije neka velesila...
KKP- prva petorka
- Datum upisa : 13.10.2010
Godina : 37
Lokacija : Knjazevac
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KKP ::I mene je iznenadila pobeda Olimpija, svaka im čast. Efesu nema pomoći! Uz dobru formu Partizana i pobede u Pioniru, mislim da ćemo biti odmah iza Kahe i Makabija, nisam oduševljen Himkijem i Prokomom, a i Žalgiris sigirno nije neka velesila...
voleo bi da sam i ja takav optimista
expert- prva petorka
- Datum upisa : 04.10.2010
Godina : 40
Lokacija : Zrenjanin
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12,5 % citave Evrolige..majku mu..
mikoni- brisač parketa
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
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цео лиетувос јбт ))
mlekadzija- prva petorka
- Datum upisa : 04.10.2010
Godina : 43
Lokacija : Врбас
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
Auuuu CSKA se raspao ....
AJ da je bacio frizider uslo bi
Dule ce da ih potera za Sibir vidim ja.
AJ da je bacio frizider uslo bi
Dule ce da ih potera za Sibir vidim ja.
Sergej- mvp
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
Jel gleda mozda jos neko Valensiju-Pao? Cini mi se da izmedju Zeljka i Tepica nisu bas sjajni odnosi, Tepa ulazi na pocetku druge i Zeljko mu nakon svake akcije objasnjava nesto, a cini mi se da je Tepa promumrljao par reci..i na kraju samo 5 minuta za njega..
Poslednji izmenio Geograf dana Čet 21 Okt 2010 - 9:48, izmenjeno ukupno 1 puta
Geograf- mahač peškirom
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
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Kakav je igrac San Emeterio, 10p, 11sk, 5 as za 30 minuta, index 28.. sjajno, kakvo volim ovakve igrace, prosto ubija igrom a mnogi ga i ne primete..
expert- prva petorka
- Datum upisa : 04.10.2010
Godina : 40
Lokacija : Zrenjanin
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
ovo je vjerovatno zadnja sezona Tepica u PAO... a nije sigurno ni da ce ostati do kraja iste...
drexler- mvp
- Datum upisa : 06.10.2010
Godina : 38
Lokacija : Drvar (BiH)
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
Geograf ::Jel gleda mozda jos neko Valensiju-Pao? Cini mi se da izmedju Zeljka i Tepica nisu bas sjajni odnosi, Tepa ulazi na pocetku druge i Zeljko mu nakon svake akcije objasnjava nesto, a cini mi se da je Tepa promumrljao par reci..i na kraju samo 5 minuta za njega..
i meni je to dosta cudno , nesto se tu desava iza kulisa
Everton- prva petorka
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
Godina : 36
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Zeljko pokusava da izvuce najbolje iz njega. Jednostavno Tepic je u krizi, a cini se da Zeljko gubi strpljenje sa njim.
Sergej- mvp
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
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Sergej ::Zeljko pokusava da izvuce najbolje iz njega. Jednostavno Tepic je u krizi, a cini se da Zeljko gubi strpljenje sa njim.
Obradovic se specijalizovao za potrosnju igraca koje napravi Vujosevic. To je najblaze sto mogu da kazem.
Gost- Gost
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
ајте мало детаљније за нас који смо банчили
mlekadzija- prva petorka
- Datum upisa : 04.10.2010
Godina : 43
Lokacija : Врбас
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Слажем се за San Emeteria, дечко ме одушевљава како игра!
Доста добро прво коло, неколико изненађења као Олимпија и АЈ, али само да нам кажу, свако на свој начин нешто. А то је да ЦСКА није непобедив и да ЕФЕС нема екипу за "нешто више". ЦСКА ће се опоравити од пораза, ово је и после турнеје по САД а и одличан шут АЈ који не могу поновити још много пута.
ЕФЕС, прошле године по састави који су имали мислио сам да иду лагано на Ф4, што је најгоре то сам мислио све до тренутка док су имали теоретске шансе да прођу групу јер сам их гледао као екипу која сваког може да добије, тада је Нахбар био у много бољој форми после ЕП, па и Ракоч, Смит, 2 турчина....и кривио сам тренера за све. А сада .... пораз од Олимпије на онакав начин је брука, одбрана је шупља на свим странама....
А Тепа, нисам гледао па не могу за то ништа да кажем, али сам од оних који никад претерано нису ценили Обрадовића....
Доста добро прво коло, неколико изненађења као Олимпија и АЈ, али само да нам кажу, свако на свој начин нешто. А то је да ЦСКА није непобедив и да ЕФЕС нема екипу за "нешто више". ЦСКА ће се опоравити од пораза, ово је и после турнеје по САД а и одличан шут АЈ који не могу поновити још много пута.
ЕФЕС, прошле године по састави који су имали мислио сам да иду лагано на Ф4, што је најгоре то сам мислио све до тренутка док су имали теоретске шансе да прођу групу јер сам их гледао као екипу која сваког може да добије, тада је Нахбар био у много бољој форми после ЕП, па и Ракоч, Смит, 2 турчина....и кривио сам тренера за све. А сада .... пораз од Олимпије на онакав начин је брука, одбрана је шупља на свим странама....
А Тепа, нисам гледао па не могу за то ништа да кажем, али сам од оних који никад претерано нису ценили Обрадовића....
Tenenac- mahač peškirom
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
Lokacija : Београд
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
Pa šta reći... Savanović ima lošu ulogu u timu jer se nijedna akcija ne igra za njega. Tepić ne može da se sastavi. Ako napravi dribling promaši šut. Obradović mu i ne pruža neku šansu jer za 5 minuta niko nije napravio karijeru. Čak i Aleks Marić nema minutažu. Valensija je mogla da ih razbije da je iole organizovaniji tim jer Pao je osrednja ekipa ove godine. Valensija stvarno nema sistema i fali im trener. Manuel Husein je vodio Mursiju pre VAlensije i to su njegovi dometi...Smešno za Evroligu.
CSKA se ne može komentarisati jer je Duletov tim premoren od američke turneje, a Armani je pogodio sve što je bacio ka košu, tako da je to bilo smešno.... Bobi počinje da liči na pravog igrača, već se vidi značajan napredak. A i statistika mu je dobra: 8 poena i 5 skokova za 12 minuta.
Tripko odigrao solidnu tekmu posle dužeg vremena ali ništa spektakularno...Kosta ubacio 2 bacanja za 14 minuta
A da ne pričamo o kolapsu Bjelice u Vitoriji gde ove godine kao što sam i predvideo neće sastaviti 40 minuta ukupno za celu sezonu. Promašaj decenije je odlazak kod Ivanovića.
Raković imao solidnu statistiku ali nisam gledao 7 p, 6sk za 17m. Milko Bjelica vrlo dobar u lošem Lijetuvosu sa 15 poena i to je to....
CSKA se ne može komentarisati jer je Duletov tim premoren od američke turneje, a Armani je pogodio sve što je bacio ka košu, tako da je to bilo smešno.... Bobi počinje da liči na pravog igrača, već se vidi značajan napredak. A i statistika mu je dobra: 8 poena i 5 skokova za 12 minuta.
Tripko odigrao solidnu tekmu posle dužeg vremena ali ništa spektakularno...Kosta ubacio 2 bacanja za 14 minuta
A da ne pričamo o kolapsu Bjelice u Vitoriji gde ove godine kao što sam i predvideo neće sastaviti 40 minuta ukupno za celu sezonu. Promašaj decenije je odlazak kod Ivanovića.
Raković imao solidnu statistiku ali nisam gledao 7 p, 6sk za 17m. Milko Bjelica vrlo dobar u lošem Lijetuvosu sa 15 poena i to je to....
Gost- Gost
Markos- prva petorka
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
Lokacija : Lefkosia-Beograd
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Lep tekst sa euroleague.net:
Yugoslav coaching school
Veteran sportswriter and Euroleague.net collaborator Vladimir Stankovic has been following the best basketball on the continent longer than almost anyone journalist, writing for decades about the sport in major publications in both Serbia and Spain. For the new 2010-11 season, he offers a blog that honors the history of European basketball - even while history keeps being made!
The first fact: Out of the 24 teams featured in the 2010-11 Turkish Airlines Euroleague, up to 11 are from the former Yugoslavia. The Serbians are Dusan Ivkovic of Olympiacos, Zeljko Obradovic of Panathinaikos, Aco Petrovic of Zalgiris, Aleksandar Trifunovic of Lietuvos Rytas and Vlada Jovanovic of Partizan. From Montenegro we have Dusko Ivanovic of Caja Laboral, but also Dusan Vujosevic of CSKA Moscow and Zdravko Radulovic of Cibona have Montenegrian origins. Neven Spahija of Fenerbahce Ulker and Velimir Perasovic of Efes Pilsen come from Croatia and, finally, Union Olimpija's Jure Zdovc is Slovenian.
The reasons for that are. obviously, the results. The numbers say that since 1988, when the Final Four system was established, of the 24 editions of the top competitiom 14 have been won by Balkan coaches: Obradovic has 7; Boza Maljkovic 3; Zeljko Pavlicevic, Svetislav Pesic and Ivkovic one each. More numbers. Out of the 40 coaches that have taken part in the Final Four, 13 of them come from this same ex-Yugoslavia school. Among these 13, they have made 37 Final Four appearances out of the total 92 (four coaches for each of the 23 years so far). Also, if you go to the pre-Final Four era and look at the champs list for the first 30 years of competition (1958 to 1988), you will also find Balkan bosses: Aleksandar Nikolic was champ with Ignis Varese in 1970, 1972 and 1973; Bogdan Tanjevic was champ in 1979 with Bosna, while Mirko Novosel and Pavlicevic made Cibona champ in 1985 and 86.
Out of the total 54 titles in the history of Europ's top competition, Balkan coaches have won 20. They are followed by Italians with 11, those from the former USSR and Spain with 8 each, Israel racks up 4 titles and Lithuania has one while United States coaches took two crowns: Rudy D'Amico with Maccabi Tel Aviv and Dan Peterson with Philips Milano.
Those are the facts and the numbers, but where can one find the roots to all this? Why is is that in such a small geographical are so many good coaches are born? How are they trained? Where does this tradition come from? How did it all start? That's the issue I will try to address today, although I'm fully aware that it won't be easy to give a definitive answer. I think it's all about the sum of many answers. Let's break it down.
Roots
In the early years after World War II, Yugoslavia was a nobody in the basketball world. Last place in the World and European Championships was the norm, and nobody thought this country could be a powerhouse in this sport. Except a few people. When you talk about Yugoslav ball it's impossible not to mention "The Four Saints": Borislav Stankovic, Aleksandar Nikolic, Radomir Saper and Nebojsa Popovic. All of them started as players, and except for Saper, they all became coaches and also highly ranked directors, but most of all visionaries. During the fifties they used each trip they took to buy another book about basketball, to talk to more experienced people. Crvena Zvezda didn't hesitate to import some foreign coaches like Veselin Tenkov from Bulgaria, Istvan Kamarasz from Hungary and Robert Bussnel from France. The will to learn was combined with pure talent, with daily work and with an impressive dedication to try to discover something new every day. At the same time, some cities saw the births of basketball centers that bore the seal of some other great enthusiasts of the sport: the soul of Zadar was Enzo Sovitti, in Ljubljana you had Boris Kristancic, in Split you found Branko Radovic, in Zagreb the same Mirko Novosel.
Vision
In the 1960s, with basketball stabilized in the area and with the first medals arriving, the key moment finally came: the Yugoslav federation sent Aleksandar Nikolic, coach of the national team, on a long trip to the United States. The legendary professor spent six months in the cradle of basketball and comes back with a radically different philosophy. He once told me that he had simply "erased" everything he had in his head about basketball and started from scratch. Now, the game had to be based on defense, physical preparation and the all-around skills of the players. Professor Nikolic was also the boss of the first official coaching school for coaches at the physical education campus of the university. The course took two years to complete, had a lot of tests and was not that easy to pass.
Together with Yugoslav basketball, the coaches themselves grew up. There was no envy back then. Everybody shared their experiences and ideas. It could be said that information belonged to everybody. The federation's wise decisions - a league instead of a tournament, the derby of the week at 17:00 on TV, the playoffs, etc.. - also contributed to the process. One of the keys were also the U.S. tours in November. It was possible back then because the league stopped for three weeks, so the national team and some clubs travelled to the States. They were blown off the court many a time, but the idea was not to win, but to learn. There were also some newer, younger coaches who got to spend one month learning in the States like Dusan Ivkovic and Boza Maljkovic.
Heritage
The policy of the federation always aimed at clear goals. Sometimes there were some arguments over what the best solution was, but once the decision was made, that was law for everyone. The future was everyone's goal. When Ranko Zeravica was chosen as assistant coach to Nikolic, everyone knew he would be the heir. When Zeravica chose Novosel, it was logical that the latter would take the reigns when it was his turn. Tanjevic and Skansi were also assistants of Nikolic before being national team head coaches. Even Dusan Ivkovic, five years older than Kreso Cosic and with more experience on the bench, was his assistant coach at the 1986 World Championships in Spain. When there was a problem to find someone for the job, Nikolic, Zeravica and Novosel always came to the rescue with one idea in mind: helping the basketball of their country. The same process took place in clubs, where coaches prepared their successors. There was no selfishness or arrogance. Youngsters like Tanjevic, Maljkovic and Obradovic never hesitated to ask Nikolic for help as he became the Pigmalion of basketball. Dusan Ivkovic learned a lot from his elder brother Slobodan, Novosel taught Pavlicevic. In Split, after Radovic, Skansi appeared to take Jugoplastika to the European final of 1972, being the first Yugoslav team to achieve such feat.
In other words, it was a system that worked and that still pays off today...
POSTED BY VLADIMIR STANKOVIC - BARCELONA
DATE: Saturday, October 23, 2010
Tazz- šesti igrač
- Datum upisa : 22.10.2010
Lokacija : Нови Сад
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
CSKA pred katastrofom. Generalni sponzor se povlaci 100%. Igraci nezadovoljni, a i Duletu nije sve jedno.
Sergej- mvp
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
Uleteće neko drugi, ne verujem baš da će da dozvole da im klub propadne.
Bodi Bond- mvp
- Datum upisa : 01.10.2010
Godina : 38
Lokacija : Beograd
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
Ne da se Duletu da uleti u keš pa to ti je. Opet će da krene sa pričama kako mu je budžet mali
Imperator- šesti igrač
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
Godina : 40
Lokacija : Beograd - Vracar
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Imperator :: Ne da se Duletu da uleti u keš pa to ti je. Opet će da krene sa pričama kako mu je budžet mali
jedva čekam... bila bi fora slušati Duletove žalopojke o kašnjenju stipendija na ruskom
drexler- mvp
- Datum upisa : 06.10.2010
Godina : 38
Lokacija : Drvar (BiH)
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
CSKA baš nema sreće, Kaun je gadno povredio koleno. Piše na sajtu evrolige da će ići u SAD da utvrde stepen povrede i pominju mogućnost operacije.
Tazz- šesti igrač
- Datum upisa : 22.10.2010
Lokacija : Нови Сад
Re: Evroliga 2010/2011 - 1. deo
Dobro imaju Sokolova i Bobija.
Sumnjam da ce Siskauskas Lengdon Smodis pa i Holden i Gordon da slusaju kako kasni stipendija
Salim se. Sigurno ce uci neka nova drzavna kompanija , ali moguce je da smanje budzet drasticno. Onda Duletovi planovi ipak propadaju.
Sumnjam da ce Siskauskas Lengdon Smodis pa i Holden i Gordon da slusaju kako kasni stipendija
Salim se. Sigurno ce uci neka nova drzavna kompanija , ali moguce je da smanje budzet drasticno. Onda Duletovi planovi ipak propadaju.
Sergej- mvp
- Datum upisa : 03.10.2010
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